How to Overcome Limiting Beliefs and Inspire Possible with Christy Pennison

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Christy Pennison is a board certified counselor and founder of Be Inspired Counseling and Consulting.  Christy is passionate about empowering leaders to live with confidence, conviction and limitless belief that anything is possible.  Her work has been featured on NBC, Today, and other media outlets.  In this interview, Christy explains her role as a dream consultant, helping people discover and pursue their own callings, she also discusses finding opportunity in stuck places and relearning how to dream AND her favorite karaoke song!

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Hey, uncommon leaders. Welcome back. This is The Uncommon Leader Podcast, and I'm your host, John Gallagher. Do you ever feel stuck, overwhelmed, stressed, uncertain, or unsure about your life? Have you forgotten how to use your imagination or dream again? If so, this week's guest is someone you've just got to hear. Christie Pennon is a board certified counselor and founder of Be Inspired Counseling and Consulting in Louisiana. She is passionate about empowering leaders to live with confidence, conviction, and limitless belief that anything is possible. Her work has been featured on N B C, the Today Show and other media outlets, and in this interview, Christie explains her role as a dream consultant, helping people discover and pursue their own callings. She also discusses finding opportunity in stuck places and relearning how to dream. Oh, when she talks about her and maybe sings her favorite karaoke song. You're gonna love this interview. Let's get started. Christie Pennon, welcome to the Uncommon Leader Podcast. It's great to have you on the show. I've been looking for this. Looking forward to this for a long time. How are you doing? Woo-hoo. I'm glad to be here. Love that energy. Well, great. I, I will start you off, Christie, right off the bat. I'm not gonna make it easy on you right at all. Can you share a personal story from your childhood that has had a lasting impact on your life and maybe still impacts who you are today? We gotta go straight to the childhood, hon. John, right away. That's right, right, right away. We're going right away. We're gonna get real vulnerable real quick here today. I love it. You know, I've had a lot of different experiences in my childhood and. But I'll go with what the first thought that came to mind when you asked me this question, and I think one of the most memorable things that made an impact on me is whenever I was about 14 years old, I had this opportunity to actually go on a mission trip. With the church that I was a part of at the time, and we went down to Brazil and at 14 years old, I mean, I'm from small town ball Louisiana. To give people a context of where I'm coming from, like people don't know where it's at on the map. If you say I'm from Ball Louisiana, they're gonna be like, where all they know is if they're gonna get a speeding ticket there, it's like one of those towns that you gotta like really inch through on this, you know, speed limit. Cuz if not they're, they're looking for you, but, So I had an opportunity with the association that my church was involved in to go on this mission trip. And so it was like, I felt like a fish out of water, right? I had such a very small view of what the world looked like, and I remember we landed and what we were gonna be doing was putting a, like a lot of children's camps on in these flas, which were pretty much these slums and. I just remember that experience because next to where we were setting up these vacation Bible schools at was a landfill. And I remember interacting with a few boys that were a little bit younger than me and they wanted, they were so excited to see me and they wanted to show me something, and I'm like, okay, well what are they gonna show me? Well, they bring me to their house. That was literally made of trash. Cans and trash bags, like literally a trash bag on the top and in the distance there were people that were coming and dumping trash like the trash. I guess trash vehicles were coming in and they were dumping it and then people would just flood to it. And I remember they were just so excited to show me their dog that they had. Right. A common thing that even we can relate to. And the dog had just had babies. And they, that's all they wanted to show me. And they were happy to show me their dog that had babies. Hmm. And I remember in that moment just realizing that, wow, number one, there's a lot of things in my life that I have been given that not by any other circumstance, and that I got dropped down in this place that had a little bit more privilege or had more. Things like I didn't have to worry about where my next meal was coming from. I didn't have to worry about safety or security. I didn't have to worry about, you know, what was the next day was gonna come. I didn't have to worry about those things. But here were these kids that had literally nothing yet. They still had some joy about them. And that is what I remembered about our interaction. And so I think leaving that place, and that wasn't the only experience I had, but I remember that experience sat so much with me about just the fact that we don't always get to choose our circumstances, but if we had been given certain gifts or things or abilities or just honestly we were dropped down in a place that had opportunity, then. We should be able to take that and still try to live joyfully in the service of others. That's what I took from it. That was so cool. Now, and I, you were saying that we don't get to choose necessarily some of our circumstances, but we absolutely, we do get to choose easier said than done, do get to choose the attitude of the spirit in which we go at it. And to see those smiles, to your point and very little that they had very unfortunate. But also to impact you going forward. And I gotta believe that still impacts you, as you said today in terms of It does, it's like impacts probably my whole trajectory of a life of. In a way service, but there's also been things I've been able to create that also support me. But I think that it's always been the aim of service and, and through that there's been a lot of really amazing things that I've been given in the process. Hmm. Sounds great. Well, I love you sharing that story, and I think it will inform our conversation. I'm may even come back to it a little bit as we go forward and go through the, the interview. So I'm pulling something right out, and I, and I'd said this in the introduction, but you're a board certified counselor and the founder of Be Inspired Counseling and Consulting there in Louisiana. I don't know that if you still live in the small town, you've got Alexandria here in your discussion. Hey, you know what? I said, I would never move back to this place, but I live right next door to it, so my mom still lives there, but I, I, I did move back. Okay. And I started a business hard to leave home and yeah, it does. And then I came back and I live. Just about 10 minutes away from that small town. Okay. So not very far. Okay. So tell me a little bit about that journey. Go. Go as far back, maybe not all the way to 14, but goes as far back on how you ended up back in Alexandria as the owner of the inspired counseling and consulting. Yeah, you know, it's funny I say never say never, because as we're talking about this, there are a few things that I said I would never do in my life. And it's funny because all of those things have came to pass. So I've learned, you know, there's some things you just don't speak into the universe, John, you just don't speak it. But when I was younger, I had this idea of how my life was gonna go. I'm from a small town and so the a, the aspiration was, you know, I'm gonna try to get an education because that was something that was encouraged and I am going to marry some amazing man, and then I am gonna have kids and I'm gonna have a white picket fence. With a yard, maybe a few dogs. I am gonna travel. That was always, since I started traveling when I was younger, I had some opportunities to do that. Even though we didn't have much, I still had opportunities to travel. And so that's, that was what life was gonna be. And there was a few things that I was never, never gonna do. So in college I was like, you know what, I'm never going to like have a baby. By myself. I actually even wrote an article about it, like, I'm not gonna be one of those people. It's funny, I have the college paper, literally it was like, and it was entitled, never Say Never. And I wrote the things that I said I would never do. And at the end it was like, but I still hope that th none of these happen. I don't think this will ever happen to me. After I wrote that article, I ended up finding out that I was pregnant unexpectedly. And so I became a single mom at the age of 22. That was not expected. I did say that I would never remove back to my hometown once I left it. Well, that happened in 2019. I moved back. There are probably some other things that I know I said this will never happen, but it just all came back to fruition. But I think my, my story starts where, With the unexpected that there are some things that you can expect in life, but that the unexpected is coming for you and it's often, what are you gonna do with that unexpected? So the biggest unexpected thing for me was having a child at 22, and that just ruined my whole life plan. I was like, this is, this is not where I was. Huh? No more white picket fence. Nope. No more white picket fence. And I mean, of course it ended up being one of the greatest blessings and gifts for me, but at the time, at 22, I was like, no, life is done for this is it. I had these plans to go join the Peace Corpse cuz I had that experience at a young age doing some mission work and I was gonna go, in my mind, jump outta airplanes. It was gonna be real fun. And just help people. That's what I was gonna do. I was gonna help people. And here I was 22. I was in college at the time, and I'm like, okay, well I have got to create a different version than of my life. I gotta create a different vision for my life than my original one. And I remember then I had a choice, right? I had to choose how I was going to. Live out the rest of whatever this life was gonna look like. And it wasn't gonna be the vision that I had in my mind. And so I think little by little I started making choices to say, okay, if this is the reality, if then if this is it, then what do I wanna see happen? And I knew one thing. After I got through some of the reality of I'm about to be a parent and this is about to, this is about to go down because cuz if you're a parent, you realize that's like the biggest adventure you will ever be on because it has a lot of twists and turns and unexpected things. But I said, if this is gonna go down, I realize that I need to create possibilities for my life because if I don't. Then my daughter's not gonna realize that she can still create possibilities, even if unexpected things happen to her. And so I took her as a motivating force to say, what do I wanna do? And little by little I made choices. I decided to go. Back to school at some point and become, I was working full-time. I'm like, I'm gonna go back to school. I wanna help people more. And I became a therapist. But even that was not easy cuz then they said, Hey, when I was doing my graduate program, you're gonna have to quit work cuz you're gonna have to do this full-time internship. Mm-hmm. And so then it was like, okay, well here's something else unexpected, what do I do? And then I made the choice. I'm like, I'm gonna keep going and we're just gonna hope that we make it through and. I'm here to say we did. But then another choice was like, here's an opportunity for you to move to this different city. And remember I told you I wanted to get outta Dodge. So, you know, but it was like, this is gonna be hard because now I'm not gonna have some family supports that I'm used to having. That's helped me essentially in parenthood. But it was scary. And I said, no, I need to make a choice cuz this is the vision of where I'm going to. And ultimately one of the biggest things was back in 2019, I said, I was so used to being independent on a job cuz I'm like, I'm a single mom. I need consistent income, I need benefits, I need predictability. I have a child that's depending on me. But there was a situation where I was really in a job that was super toxic. It became really, Negative for my own health and my own wellbeing. And I had to make a choice. Do I stay here and let this job like consume me or do I jump out and hope that I can figure it out to create some other possibilities? And so in 2018, I said, you know what? I'm just gonna give myself some time. And I found another job that I didn't make hardly any money from what I was used to making. I was like, my income cut in half. But it gave me the clarity to say, okay, what do I wanna create next? And then one day I came home and said, okay, well maybe I should move back here and start a counseling program. And so a few years later, that's now two locations with a group of therapists and just been amazing to see the impact it's been able to give back to my community and then the people that live in it. And all of it is because at different points in time when the unexpected happened, I had a choice to either allow that unexpected thing to stop me, or I had to find a way to create something that was beyond that unexpected challenge. Yeah. Wow. Where do I go from there? Those are, I know. That's good. That's actually great. That's a No. Those are great pieces. It actually lines up so well then. With one of your self descriptors of being a former stuck person turned dream consultant. So our friends at Brand Builders Group, you and I have Brand Builders Group in common, but Roy Vaden would say we are most powerfully positioned to help the person that we used to be. And those stories that you've generated, whether it goes all the way back to when you're 14 and being in mission field and having to choose a perspective to have in terms of happiness. Or the situations that you've been through in life kudos to you for making the choices to make a difference and, and turn that into something bigger for you mentioned two locations and some of the lives that you're impacting. Did you know that many of the things that I discussed on the Uncommon Leader Podcast are subjects that I coach other leaders and organizations on? If you would be interested in having me discuss one-on-one or group coaching with you, or know someone who is looking to move from underperforming to uncommon in their business or life, I would love to chat with you. Click the link in the show knows to set up a free call to discuss how coaching might benefit you and your team. Now back to the show. what is a dream consultant then? That's what you are now. Tell me a little bit more about that. Yeah. You know, my idea of what a dream consultant is, I think that each of us at different points in life, and you may not always know what it is, but I really do believe that we each have these different callings on our life. And it may be, like you said, to serve the person that we once were, because I do think sometimes we go through challenges in life. And we think, why in the heck am I going through this? It doesn't make sense. It sucks. It's just not the best situation. And we think that maybe this is where I'll live forever, but sometimes those experiences will have a mean, a purpose or a meaning further down the road. We just don't know what it is. We just gotta keep going through it. But to answer your question, I think that, you know, one of the things that has helped me is to realize that. We can all get in a stuck place, but on the opposite side of stuckness is opportunity. So when you get stuck, there is ways to find opportunity in these stuck places. And it's how do I look for it? And then how do I have this dream or this, how do I create a dreamer vision? For my life cuz some of us forget how to dream. You know, when we were little, we did a really great job of like, when I grow up I wanna be, or when this happens, I wanna be. And we had a great imagination, or most kids did, not all kids, but most kids have great imaginations. But somewhere along the line we stop imagining things for ourself cuz we get stuck in the day-to-day. Hmm. So it's almost taking, relearning how to dream, but then also seeing the opportunity when we feel stuck. And that's not an easy thing to do because when you feel stuck, you feel overwhelmed and you feel discouraged and you're like, the last thing you wanna do is look for opportunity. But it's how do I reframe what I'm going through and how do I see it in a different light that there is something that this is gonna help me do later? I just think about like a lot of my experiences, I would've never guessed that later on they would've had a purpose for it. But now hindsight, I can look back and be like, oh, I see why I went through that. That makes perfect sense. Because it makes me more understanding of people, or it makes me realize that nothing, even if I feel stuck, I can still find a way forward through this. Love that. How, how Christie do you impact or influence your clients, your as a counselor, those that you counsel, to have that frame of mind to in essence how do you teach them how to dream? Well, I think you first have to get really clear on what's holding you back, right? What is creating this stuckness for you? And that could be a lot of different issues. I mean, sometimes it's fear that creates this stuck place. Sometimes it's. Negative self-talk that creates the stuck place. Sometimes it's honestly depression that creates the stuck place or toxic relationships. So I think the first thing you really have to get clear on is what is holding me back from where I would like to go. I think most people, if you ask them, Hey, what are things that you don't like about your life right now? There is gonna be something they're gonna come up with, right? They're gonna either like, well, you know, I don't like the way that my child talks to me, or, I don't like how my relationship with my significant other is, or, you know what? I really don't like how I have a really. Complaining boss, and every time I go in, they're always making me do X, Y, Z. Like there's something you can probably pinpoint or I don't like how I feel every day. You know, working in the mental health space, sometimes it's like I do not wanna feel super anxious. I don't wanna feel overwhelmed. I don't wanna feel like everything's outta control. I don't like that. And sometimes you might not always know where you wanna go or what you do want to create, but you might know. What you don't wanna have anymore in your life. And sometimes that's a starting place to say, okay, let's look at what are the stories, what are the thought processes? What are the experiences that have brought you to where you are at right now? And maybe contribute to why you're feeling stuck. And then how can we figure out and reimagine where you would like to go from here? Love that. So as you know, as I listen to that, it's sometimes you have to understand. What you don't want before you can get clear on what you do want. And so if you are clear on the things that you don't like about, and I love that in terms of saying negative self talk, toxic, toxic relationships, many barriers to having the life that you want is very difficult. And then you teach them how to articulate what they do want. Do you have a specific success story in your, in your career that you would say, my goodness, this works so well and this helped for this person. You don't have to share any names or anything, but a story that sticks out for you in terms of helping someone, you know, I think the biggest transformation I see people have is when they just become more aware, and I know that sounds so basic, simple. Easy, and it's not at the same time because awareness, most of the time we are not. We are, and we aren't aware of the things that are holding us back. But when somebody becomes aware of the things in their life or the choices that they've made, or the things that they are doing that holds them back and that's not supporting them for moving forward, and they have that awareness of where some of that feeling is coming from. Like I feel really bad, or I feel really down, but I don't understand where it's coming from. But they have that awareness of like, oh, well, you know, I also am thinking all these things during my day that maybe are not true, or I'm having these people in my life that continue to put pressure on me that I don't know what to do with it. So I think awareness is the first step. That I've seen, like people that really have overcome some, I'm talking about, like I, I've worked with people that I'm like, man, I am so amazed that you're here right now. You are like a resilient human being. Like you've went through some challenges that like, make my challenges look small. Okay. But I think when somebody has an awareness of what's kept them stuck and they then start to accept that all of these experiences I might have had. Weren't necessarily because of me, but I can, like you said earlier, I can choose. I get to choose where I wanna go from here, and I can develop tools that'll help me get through that. Then it's, it's like amazing. And then when somebody starts to believe in themselves, then that is when there can be possibilities that can happen for them. But a lot of us start giving up on our stop giving up on our, or We gave up on ourselves a long time ago and but when you can reconnect with yourself and who you are and realize, wait. I might have had all these life experiences, but I've made it through'em. I'm still, I'm still here. I've figured these things out. And they learn to have better dialogues with themselves. The further they can really make progress and have transitions, and then when they realize, wait, I don't have to worry about what other people think. I can live a life that's aligned with me. It's really, it really is transformative. Like I can say no to that. I can say no to that person. Yeah, you can, you can tell'em no. Christie, I would love to be on the phone call just listening to some of your conversation with, with those that you're coaching or, yeah, counseling cuz I, I'm, I'm gonna guess that just the spirit that you bring helps to, helps to turn them around as well. And, you know, you actually have a podcast that you host as well called Inspiring Possible. Tell me, tell me a little bit about, you know, the name of that podcast, but really why you started a podcast and what, what's in it for you? Well, you know, we've already said this a few times, but you know, if you don't get anything from this podcast today, you are most greatly positioned to serve the person you once were. And so it's, it's funny because when. When I had this on my mind to do this podcast, it was actually three years ago, John, like three years ago, I named it. I got the handles. I said, this is what I wanna do. And it came out of me going to a conference and the person who was leading the conference asked me to turn to the stranger who I was sitting next to and say like, what is something that hurts your heart that like, if you. You just feel so passionately about it, about helping change this because it, it hurts you deeply. It'll keep you up at night. It's something you're passionate about changing in the world. And I'd already been a therapist for about a decade at this point, and I worked in a lot of different settings. I worked in schools. I worked with kids that had, did not get a good start in life that we called, had a lot of antisocial behaviors. That's what they call'em. You can, you can fill in the blanks, okay? Mm-hmm. They just had a lot of poor choices and a lot of challenging hard environments that they came from. And I had worked in home and community BA based settings and I'd even worked with victims of child abuse. And so all of those experiences helped me realize that number one, Us as individuals have amazing potential to do amazing things, but there's a lot of challenges that a lot of people have to overcome, and I remember at that. Conference. And I also thought about my own life story, like when did I feel stuck or helpless or felt like I couldn't escape this? And I turned to the guy next to me and I was crying like a baby, John, I'm not even lying. I cried and I said, you know what? I just really wanna help people who feel stuck, who feel hopeless, who feel helpless. Realize that they have unique gifts, strengths, and talents that only they can give to the world. Like there will only be one of them in the span of history. Mm-hmm. And even like right now in history, like there's like a billion people in the world. So like the, the chances of you being here is a miracle, but I wanna help them unlock and realized that despite. Their challenges. Despite their experiences, they still have things that they can do give, they can find meaning in life. They can find purpose in life. And so I said, you know, I just want'em to help them realize there are possibilities for them, that even if they don't think so, there is. Mm-hmm. And so that is where that podcast got birthed. But again, I think I sometimes we have to go through our own journeys to really be able to get to the right timing of when you're supposed to do things. So it took me three years of going years through my own journey of struggling wrestling, grappling, trying to build this business that I thought, oh, I imagine it, it is just gonna happen. Right? And no, it did not happen. Every challenge imaginable came my way. That's why I think I resonate with people feeling stuck cuz there were times where I'm like, I can stay stuck here really easily. I love that because this is hard, you know? So, I appreciate you sharing that and I have listened to several of your episodes so far and I know folks would appreciate it. I'll put a link to the podcast in the show notes so that folks can hear it. Lemme now you don't, so you sit on my side of the microphone right now for this podcast more often, but you've had a chance and I did, I did a little bit of research and I didn't tell you I was gonna ask you this question, what I'm asking anyway. You were a guest on the Montel Williams podcast. You've also been recognized by N N B C as well. What is it like to share on a national platform like that? Were you nervous? Were you. Did you have limiting beliefs when you went on the, how did you go through that? Yes, John. In fact, I just got off the phone with my friend right before this and we were talking about mindset and stuff and limiting beliefs and things like that, and she's like, Christie I know my dialogue. Dialogue is like normally negative Nancy for myself, but you just seem to have this internal dialogue that's a little bit more. More positive. I said, listen, don't get it twisted. I mean, yes, my mindset does tend to go a little bit more to like, oh, let's figure out, like I'm talking about and it's n and it's not as easy as I make it sound. Um, but no, I remember when I got, actually during the pandemic, I had written a few or helped contribute to a few articles that got featured in different news publications about a lot of things pertaining to mental health or pertaining to just some of the struggles we were going through during that time. And I remember I got an email that I really thought was a spam, John. Okay. From like Monto William's podcast assistant or production assistant or whatever, and they're like, Hey, we saw your article about like maybe trying to connect with friends through the pandemic or I can't remember what it was and we would like you to come on this show. And I'm like, This is a prank. Somebody is pranking me. And then I realized, no, okay. Yes, I really am am being asked to be here. And I can remember, John, this is amazing how like there's these full circle moments in your life that happens sometimes that if you're not paying attention to how it comes full a circle, you might miss it. But I can remember getting off the bus in ball Louisiana. And we did not have cable. Okay. We had like whatever television stations were the main ones that were picked up by the antenna outside. Okay. Just to paint a picture. Mm-hmm. And I remember when I get off the bus, one of the shows that would sometimes be on whether or not I should have been watched or not was the show. And so yeah, of course when you get on there, you're like, wait, I know that your dialogue goes to, like, there are other people that I know could probably speak to this so much better. Than I could. Or you listen to your episode later and you're like, oh man, why did I say that or this? Or I could have said that better. Or, man, that was a really opportunity I could have said this. So there is always that limiting belief that maybe I shouldn't be here. Maybe I shouldn't be the one speaking on this. But then you just have to remind yourself. Okay. But they didn't ask nobody else, so I just have to be ready to say yes. And one of my mentors said something one time that always stood out to me, and he's like, you wanna prepare? So that when you are called to serve in a capacity that's larger than you've ever served before, that you are ready. Mm-hmm. And not that I was a hundred percent ready, cuz I believe in doing things like when you're 80% ready or 25% ready. But it was like, okay, here's the opportunity. You have to be able to walk through it. And I think that's one thing about even creating possibilities for your life. There's gonna be some opportunities that don't make sense. Mm-hmm. Like, why am I doing this thing again? Or wait me? But it's like, okay, no. For some reason this has been put in your path and you can choose to like ignore it or say, I'm not ready. But I think you become ready as you just do it. So sometimes you just gotta do it. So I love that. And just listening in to the no limiting beliefs, right? As you said, it's easier said than done to mm-hmm. Have that mindset of no limiting beliefs. I'm in a small mastermind group with, with five, five buddies and we, one of the themes we had for 2022 was no limiting beliefs. And if we caught each other talking in a way that sound like a limiting belief that we would, we would call it out. For me. It's a muscle that I always have to exercise. Always keep that set mindset and you know, to really not have that limit to belief to go from why me, as you said, to why not me? Why not me? I love that. Why not me, right? I mean, in terms of putting that in place. So I love you sharing that story. And again the one one that I was gonna ask, and I have one more that I'm gonna ask that I didn't tell you about either. Oh, I did a little research on you and the other was your karaoke song. So I, I assume that you're really good at karaoke. Do you have one that. Is a favorite of yours that you might wanna share it with us, maybe even sing a little? I'm not sure. Listen, my favorite karaoke song is, it's gonna be Funny, but it is Whitney Houston, um, the song, oh, I wanna Dance with Somebody That is my go-to John. So if you ever find me in like a beach resort, which I don't get to go to those very often, but when I do and they're like, somebody needs karaoke, I'm like, sure, I'll get some people dancing. And I think I love that song just because it's very much like. Hey, I just wanna show up. I wanna have fun. I wanna meet people where they are, and I'm just gonna dance through life. And like you said, I, but I wanna say back to the limiting belief thing, I, I do think that that's part of the biggest, the hardest thing to overcome. I don't know about you, John, but I get in spaces all the time where I'm like, uh, am, am I supposed to be here? You know? Sure. And I think all these other people have figured it out, but the more I get in spaces where I think that everybody's figured out, guess what? I realize. We all still trying to figure it out. That's right. Now you're back to imposter syndrome as well. You probably talk about that one a very good bit. Like, am I really supposed to be here? Because they're gonna figure me out real fast. Mm-hmm. And one of our ca one of our B b G friends, John Laurie talks about that. Probably a guy you need to have on your podcast as well if you haven't on, oh man. Yeah. I'll have to check him out. That was really good. So let me ask two more questions. I know, cuz I've taken way too much of your time as it is. Oh, this has been a fun conversation. How do people stay in touch with you? Because I know the listeners are gonna wanna hear from you, how do they stand out for you? Yeah, definitely. If you want to just, if anything you don't remember inspiring possible, that's how you can get in touch with me and Christie Pennon. But inspiring possible.com will take you to where I'm at. Inspiring, possible the podcast, inspiring possible on social media, or you can find me at Christie Pennon too. But yeah, I just. One of the things I'm sure for you too, John, that I just loved about doing podcasting is meeting incredible people, but then also hearing from incredible people that are sit are, that are honest and real and vulnerable and they're like, Hey, this is what I took from this, or, Hey, this is what I'm going through. Because I think we all are going through something and sometimes just being able to hear from people that like, yes, oh, this is what I took from you today is really, it helps you continue to keep going. Down the path. Absolutely. So reach out. I will put those links in the show notes as well for folks to get in touch with you. Christie, I just have one more question. It's one I ask every time. For every first time guest, I'm gonna give you a billboard that you can put anything on it no matter what. We'll move it outside of Alexandria, Louisiana. Put it, yeah, we can put it in LA or something like that. Put it in la. But you get to put any message you want to that the masses will see. What do you put on that billboard and why? Oh man. Can I get two billboards? John, can I get two twos? If you want two billboards, it's, it's my show. But go ahead. Take two billboards. You know what? I thought I had the one billboard and then as soon as you said the question, I'm like, no, there's another billboard. So actually it could be one billboard. It's just like one side of it, and then you look at the other side. It's like a rotating billboard. Go drive by. There you go. Yeah. So my first thing would be life is too short to be miserable. Okay. And the reason why I say that is because I think it's a reminder to all of us, like if we're feeling stuck, if we're feeling miserable, like life is too short, we need to figure out what's causing us to be miserable and causing us to be stuck and figuring out how to unstuck ourselves. Okay. And then the other side of the billboard, Is, it's possible. Just believe, because I do think that sometimes we can get stuck in believing that it's not for us. That a life that we imagine isn't, is not, that's not possible for me. And I think it's about believing that yeah, it is. And you can find the path forward. It may take a lot of work. It may take a lot of getting around people that are gonna help push you to get there, or it might take some real clarity of why you're going where you wanna go, but you can get there. If I've gotten there, if John's gotten there, and I know we're still trying to figure out how to get there, but if, I mean we figured this out, I think you can too. Awesome. Christie, thank you so much for sharing with the listeners, for spending your time and investing with them, and I wish you the best in the future. Okay? Yeah. Thank you, John, for having me. It's been fun. Well, that's all for today's episode of The Uncommon Leader Podcast. Thanks for listening in. Please take just a minute to share this podcast without someone you know that you thought of when you heard this episode. One of the most valuable things you can do is to rate the podcast and leave a review. You can do that on Apple Podcast, or you can rate the podcast on Spotify or any other platform You listen. 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