The Connection Between Nutrition, Gut Health, and Cognitive Function Leslie Bobb, MPH, CIHC

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Today, I'm thrilled to have Leslie Bobb as my guest. Leslie is a Certified Brain Health Coach, an Integrative Nutrition Expert and a sought after speaker specializing in ‘Gut Health’.  

In this fascinating episode, Leslie emphasizes the important connection between nutrition, brain health, and overall well-being including: 

• The health of one's gut affects all other systems in the body, including the endocrine, immune, and brain systems. 
• How gut health is backed by science and can affect neurotransmitter activity in the brain. 
• Nutrition deficiencies that can harm gut health and subsequently impact cognitive function. 
• The importance of being mindful of the chemicals and toxins in our environment that can negatively impact our gut health
• Her work as a consultant to help organizations and healthcare providers prioritize and incorporate healthy food and wellness practices into their culture and services

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Transcript

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Welcome back, uncommon Leaders. This is The Uncommon Leader Podcast, and I'm your host, John Gallagher. Today I'm thrilled to have Leslie Bob as my guest. Leslie is a certified brain health coach, an integrative nutrition expert, and a sought after speaker specializing in gut health. And this fascinating episode, you'll hear me say it more than once. Leslie emphasizes the important connection between nutrition, brain health, and overall wellbeing. She explains that the health of one's gut affects all other systems in the body, including the endocrine, immune and brain systems. Leslie discusses how gut health is backed by science and can affect neuro transmit activity in the brain. She also identifies some nutrition deficiencies that can harm gut health and subsequently impact cognitive function. Leslie emphasizes the importance of being mindful of the chemicals and toxins in our environment that can negatively impact our gut health. And she talks about her work as a consultant to help organizations and healthcare providers prioritize and incorporate healthy food and wellness practices into their culture and services. Whew, lots going on in this episode. You're gonna learn a lot, so you better have your pen and notebook handy. Let's get started. Leslie Bob, welcome to the Uncommon Leader Podcast. It's great to have you on as a guest today. How are you today? I am doing awesome, John. Thank you for having me. Absolutely, Leslie. Well, I've gotta tell you, I'm looking forward to this conversation today, and I'm gonna learn a bunch, and I can't wait to hear some of the great wisdom that you can partake on the listeners, but. I will start you out like I do all first time guests and ask you a question to tell us, the listeners, a story from your youth or childhood that still impacts who you are as a person or leader today. Yeah, I prepped for this one, John, cuz you gave me a heads up and it stumped me for a while. My parents divorced when I was really, really small. So I had a lot of Variety in my childhood, I suppose. But I, I had a hard time thinking of stories from my childhood, but one thing stood out that I think is really actually a great answer for this question in this context because there's this one time I remember my parents had custody battles every few years. And so I would live with mom for a few years and I would live with dad for a few years. And when I was probably about 10 or 11, I was living with my dad and I had a couple of best friends. There was another girl who came to visit her dad in the neighborhood, and the three of us would all hang around all summer long riding our bikes around like we did in the eighties. And and one year this is kind of funny for anyone who's my age, but new kids on the block was coming to concert. And we just we're gonna die if we didn't go see them. And so one of my friend's dad he was the cool dad and he was like, okay, I'll take you guys to go see them. So she was like, all right, my dad will take us to King's Dominion, the theme park to go see new kids on the block. So you just have to get the money for your ticket. So I was like, oh my gosh. Of course, like my dad would not deny me this, this is my whole world right here. So I went and asked my dad, and my dad said, well you'd better go get a job. And I was like, what? What are these words that you're saying to me? So my dad, who was a salesman, so he was used to kind of forging his path. He he went upstairs to his old. State of the art at the time, computer. And he printed me out a bunch of business cards that had my name and babysitting service on it. And he made little graphics from his little clip art on there. And he just printed me out these business cards and he said, go around the neighborhood and when you see houses that have kids toys in the front yards, go knock on the door and introduce yourself and give them your business card. And I was like, uh, okay. And he's always kind of been like that, you know, if, if I was bored, he'd be like, well, go knock on doors and ask people if they have kids you can play with. And I'm like, that's so weird. Nobody does that. Yeah, right. But that's, that's my dad's answer to things. So I, I did, I went around the neighborhood. I found a house that had some baby toys in the front yard. I knocked on the door and I got myself a job was like a mother's helper, like a, like a, I was like the nanny, but the woman worked from home, so I wasn't like totally on my own. But she had twin babies and I worked for her all summer to save money for this concert. And the reason I picked that story is because I think it really kind of started my path as an entrepreneur and gave me that, like, that just kind of, okay, I want something, let me just go figure out how to get it by providing service to others mentality. But it also set the stage. For me. And it really illustrates the, the way that I was raised in that, like I was raised with the value that I'm, I have the power and also the responsibility for what I want out of my life. And that's been such a huge component both to like my entrepreneurship as well as now what I do with health and nutrition because I, I really strongly feel that principle when it comes to health. Which is something that a lot of us are interested in. We all want to be healthy, right? Mm-hmm. But we all try to delegate it. Sure. Let somebody else do it for us, right? And and that's something that I try to empower people to, to take control of back because it's not something really that can be delegated, you know, with any huge success. Leslie, I love that story. I think it is a great story. I think it is a story of. As you say, persistence, but, but going to get something. But what I really want to know and the listeners wanna know is how was the concert? The concert was amazing. They played with Tiffany. I wasn't a huge fit fan of Tiffany, but she did well and her backup dancers were cute. So I. It all worked out. Worked out really good. Well, I know I'll have some listeners that'll understand new kids on the block for sure. And they will appreciate the story of the entrepreneurship and the effort that you had to take, whether it was, you know, a guy doing a newspaper route or whatever they had to do, cut lawns or babysit or whatever it had to do to, to make sure. And I'd love even, again, there's so many things about childhood that, that. You kind of bring out. But you know, riding, riding bikes, playing with friends in the neighborhood, just going around, we just don't do those things. Kids don't do those things enough anymore. We don't do those things as kids anymore. So I appreciate you sharing that story, but let's jump into that from a passion standpoint, how it gets you started as an entrepreneur. And as I look at your introduction, you are a certified integrative health and brain health coach. So you talk about really understanding the effect that food has. On the body and brain. So for me, the effect that food has on body and brain is that when I see pepperoni pizza, like it really looks good and my brain says, you know, you really need to have that and tells me that I need to do that. But I'm sure that's not what you're doing in terms of that effect. Tell me a little bit about, you know, what a CERT certified integrative health and brain health coach does? Yeah. Okay. So So my journey to to getting into health started a little differently than a lot of the people that I have trained with. A lot of people get into this space because they have like a crippling illness and they can't find answers in the medical field, so they start learning on their own. I blessedly did not have that. I got into it just because I, I had a, a child and realized I didn't know how to like care for humans. So I started learning how to How to eat healthy. And that is a rabbit hole that you can rapidly, like lose yourself in. Mm-hmm. If if it, if it speaks to you. And it definitely spoke to me. Food is so important in our culture, in our survival, in our families. Like everything is wrapped around food. We celebrate with food, we mourn with food. It's just everywhere. And it just really connected with me. So I. Did training in integrative nutrition, which is the concept that it's not just food that keeps us healthy, but it's, it's food is what the founder of my school says. It's, it's your primary food and then there's your secondary food which is like sleep and sunshine and gratitude and love and a lot of other things that we need to keep us healthy. And then I went from there and did a certification in brain health coaching because I've always just really loved the brain. My undergrad is in psychology and I've just always been fascinated by the brain. And then when I found out how connected the two were, I was just like, oh my gosh, it's too much. So I learned, I started learning a lot about how. Your brain is actually affected by what you eat in the state of your health, particularly your gut health. So that's why, uh, further down on my bio it says gut health expert because one thread just led me to another, led me to another. So I got into nutrition and then brain health and then gut health and the gut brain connection which is just a whole nerdy field of amazing discoveries that they're making every day, but, The bottom line is the health of your gut affects the function of every other system in your body. Did you know that many of the things that I discussed on the Uncommon Leader Podcast are subjects that I coach other leaders and organizations on? If you would be interested in having me discuss one-on-one or group coaching with you, or know someone who is looking to move from underperforming to uncommon in their business or life, I would love to chat with you. Click the link in the show knows to set up a free call to discuss how coaching might benefit you and your team. Now back to the show. And by gut, uh, your gut can technically mean everything from like the end to the out. But usually when we're talking about gut, we mean like your small intestine. That's where most of the action happens. But a lot of times for my purposes, I'm just talking about from like your stomach to your. Colon, I guess. Okay. Like the, you know, the major digestive process. So the health of your gut affects all of the other systems in your body. Your, your endocrine system, which is your metabolic health and your hormone balance, your energy. And, you know, hormone balance doesn't just, it's not go just a girl thing. We have adrenaline and cortisol and testosterone and all of those other vitamin D is a hormone. Like all of those kinds of things. Your immune system is predominantly housed in your gut. But also your brain health. Your brain and your gut are directly connected via the vagus nerve. I don't know if you've ever heard of that. Nope. Um, so it's just Las Vegas do it? Las Vegas? No, just with, it's with a U and not an A, but, oh, oh, gotcha. Okay. It's V A G U S. But it, that's this big long system, this network that connects your brain to your gut. And they had thought that it was just a one way. Communication pathway. And they've recently learned that it's actually two-way. So your brain and your gut are constantly talking back and forth to each other, which is rather fascinating in my opinion. And then a lot of your neurotransmitters, which are what makes your brain, brain, are actually created in your gut. Like that's where they're, they're generated. And so it's really important and really linked together. So a, a lot of. The mental health issues that are plaguing modern humans actually are closely related to poor gut health. Oh, wow. Things like anxiety and depression, but also things that are more serious like autism and schizophrenia have been linked to the microbiome and, and your gut health. Fascinating. Taking a breath so that you can like get a word image-wise. Well, yeah, so it isn't about my work cause I could probably sit here. I mean, you probably see it while we won't have the video in the podcast, like my mouth is just open. And that's not through to my gut, but it was like, oh my goodness. You know, as as old as I am. And I've not heard these things before and I love to hear you say kind of something about geeking out with regards to. Understanding how the nervous system is connected to the gut and how the brain functions off of that as well, and all the different things that go on you. When you think about that, how you have nerded out in terms of studying. What's the most surprising thing that you've learned in terms of your studying? Like, oh my gosh, I never would've believed that kind of thing in your studies that geeking out. Uh, that's a tough question, John. There's been a lot of those. I think. I work I work in clinical research, so I have a a very like research heavy education. And I've worked in research for a long time. So I read a lot of the like peer review journal articles and all the, that. Side of things. So this isn't like, I don't know, maybe the, the most cerebral answer to your question, but one I remember one like really big aha moment was I used to, when I was much younger argue with people on Facebook. I. Because I think that's something that people do in their thirties. So I've outgrown it now, but when I was first getting into this stuff and I just wanted to like share it with the world and I was telling everybody about it on Facebook, there'd be some people on Facebook that are like, leaky guts not a thing. That's just wooy quackery. It's not a thing. And completely try to discredit everything that I said and everybody that I was sharing information from. But what I found out was that leaky gut is a thing, and it was a thing back then. They just call it gut dysbiosis. So realizing like all of these people that are out there trying to discredit everything that I was saying, that were really making me real, like doubtful about the things that I had learned and the things that I was trying to share with people, they just. Didn't know what they were talking about. And scientists use sciencey words because it makes them look smart. Mm-hmm. And so you just have to know the right words and you can look up the information. So that was really kind of a big click for me was like, Hey, this really is like science backed stuff, even by the, you know, most uptight terms. This is science back stuff. And just if you go into like PubMed, which is the The peer reviewed research like directory basically, and you look up gut microbiome, you'll get hundreds of thousands of studies that come up. So this is like definitely a thing. And that was a really big moment for me because I didn't feel quite so conflicted and doubtful anymore about whether I was like drinking the Kool-Aid and like being brainwashed by quacks or whatever. I just, I realized that it was really real stuff. But I think the most, like, just scientifically, the biggest revelation I had was just learning how much of your neurotransmitter activity occurs due to your microbiome in your gut rather than in your brain. It seems wild to me that these communication signals that happen between your brain cells can actually be created in your gut and somehow make their way. Up there. It just, it was a human body is fascinating and it Yeah, that's a good word for it. Fascinating. So, and that's the only word I can use sometimes to describe it. So let me, let me ask you there, let's, we'll put it on the lower shelf for me and some of my listeners as well. The, because there's a, there's a sense I have that. You have some of the realizations of what we do that as human beings that are wrong, that affects that gut health, that that changes a bunch of other things. So what do, what do you see as some of the top nutrition deficiencies in our daily diets as humans that we have that destroys our gut health, which will destroy our brain? Yeah, no, that's a, um, that's a good question and, and it's relevant because I kind of like skipped over this, this part, but. When your gut isn't functioning right and your brain isn't functioning right, just to kind of like really connect it for people that can affect your energy levels, but it also affects like, literally the way that you're able to think. So if you are struggling with anxiety or depression, that can be changed on a physiological level by affecting your microbiome. It's not really a chemical imbalance that has kind of been debunked. As the cause of things like depression, but also you, you just, you don't think as well, like you're not as smart if your gut's out of whack. So if you're trying to do things that involve you being relational or intelligent or a fast thinker or creative or or just have stamina, those things are all gonna be harder for you to do. If your gut is is out of whack, it's like, Well, before I get too far into that, but, so some of the major thing, our culture right now is, is really set up to, to be very damaging for our guts. So people have probably heard in the mainstream media that we're all deficient in vitamin D, for instance. We're, we've all been kind of taught that or we're all deficient in iodine. That's why they put it in our table salt. So there are certain things that are just like, Built into the way that we live our lives now that are damaging our guts on a daily basis. And I would say warning for the top spot would be stress. Stress has a very real physical effect on you and it can destroy your, your microbiome as well as eat holes through your stomach lining. I'm sure anyone who's had an ulcer. Is well aware of. And vying for that would be just the general level of toxicity in. In our lives, we have toxins coming at us from every direction it, they're on our food. They're in our food. If we're eating processed foods, they're in our personal care products. They're in our water. They're off-gassing from our furniture. They're in the environment From our, our vehicles, it's just all over the candles and the plug-ins that you put in your house to make'em smell better because of the other things that are in your house that make'em smell weird. All of that stuff is just, it's toxic for our bodies. And I'm not like asking everybody to just stop bathing and shaving and live in the woods, even though that would be a lot healthier. But, but it is a level of of mindfulness that a lot of people aren't able to have because they just trust in the system. And they assume that if it's on the shelf, it's safe for us. And that's not really the case. Because the way that these things are passed through is that usually they're tested often by the same company that's trying to sell them, but they're tested in very small quantities and in isolation, and often in computer or mouse models, and not in human models and in the levels that we're receiving them. So they might say, oh, this has been tested and hasn't been shown to have any effects on causing cancer, but they're not. Testing it as if you're getting 10 times that along with 20 other chemicals, 14 times a day, every day for the, you know, 80 years. Mm-hmm. So it kind of, it builds up and it overwhelms our system and that has really bad effects on a lot of things, but in the gut in particular, it can kill off certain strains of. Bacteria that live in your gut. And it can also just throw off the chemical balances that keep everything in like a level of homeostasis that makes it function right. Wow. So again, try not to try to use a different word than fascinating but interesting even inside of that space. So we as human beings, it's not just about our. Actual diet in terms of what we eat. While that's a big part of it, but there are things inside of our surroundings that are also causing some of, to mess up, as you say, stress or even chemicals that are coming into our, into our environments that we're putting in there. That's funny. I never really heard of, you know, again, the, the, uh, GLAD plugin and I'm gonna have to go throw all those away in my house when I, I'm just kidding. I don't have any in my house, but not because of the biome. But you look, those, those are barriers right to. Good gut health, and I know as a, as a wellness coach and a, or a consultant, excuse me, and a medical nutrition consultant, it says, you, you work with providers, wellness professionals, and business owners. Like what are the ways that you are consulting with them to make improvements in that space? So what I hear is really cool, like you're trying to get organizations to change their culture, uh, to get people to think more about it. What are the ways that you do that? So this is where I can plug in some food answers. I, I missed the, the food component of the last question entirely, but yeah. So my aim is really to help people that are in positions of influence and leadership really understand the importance of adding like food to their concept of, of wellbeing or, or health and. There's still a lot of businesses and, and corporate culture and just places that we have to work every day that aren't concerned with health and wellbeing at all. But a lot of the larger corporations specifically are starting to, at least on the surface level, devote resources to employee wellness and, and wellbeing. And they're not really hitting, they're not hitting the mark, in my opinion. They're focusing a lot on stress management, which is great. And yoga and stretching at your office and those things are great. Movement is really important. But but then they're also like cheating employees to donuts in the break room and pizza parties. In lieu of giving them raises or whatever. And when I, uh, I work from home mostly now, but when I worked at the, at the hospital, mind you, I worked at a hospital in medical school like every day in the break room, there's junk food, there's bagels, there's donuts, there's candies, there's pizzas. I used to have a position where I ordered the catering for meetings and people, it was an adjustment for them when I started not. Providing sodas and desserts for them at their lunches. So it's just things like that that really make a culture. It's not just having a list of benefits that you can offer employees, that you can check off the box with the insurance company. It's your actual culture. And I'm sure you know, John, you work in, you know, executive business a lot. Mm-hmm. Culture like runs through. Or should run through everything that you do. It, it is your interfacing your values with the world. And so I'm trying to get food health, like healthy health, nourishing, not just my healthy food. I'm not asking them to put like brand cereal out, but you know, I want them to really adopt like health for real as part of their culture. Like this is important what you're showing, your staff, your employees, what you're modeling for them. As well as just the fact that if you're a leader, if you're not taking care of yourself, you're not gonna be able to serve at the capacity that you want to serve at. You're not gonna, you're not gonna make it. You're not gonna have the stamina, you're not gonna be able to do it. So I want these people to understand the importance of like, really being serious about that and, and modeling it and letting it be part of their actual culture. And then with the, you know, other healthcare providers. It's even more important. People, like I said at the beginning, try to delegate their health to their doctors, and their doctors aren't, well, one, it's not your doctor's responsibility to keep you healthy. Your doctor is someone who's trained in a specific thing that you can consult with if you have a problem in that thing, but it's not your doctor's responsibility and they're not gonna be able to keep you healthy. But most doctors aren't trained in nutrition. And so when I work with medical professionals or personal trainers or. Any, anybody that actually like helps with the care and feeding of humans. I try to just kind of infuse a little of the knowledge that I've gained about gut health and its importance and the effects of food into what they do so that their patients and clients can really see better results. Leslie, I love that. And as you talk through it, there's, the story that comes to my mind is kind of the, as as you said, you can't delegate your own health. You've gotta take that responsibility on your own. Too often we try to put that into the healthcare system. It's a space that I have consulted in for the last 12 years, and it's absolutely not one thing I'm willing to put my faith in, if you will, in terms of how that works. Because as you said, as le and even as leaders we can put that out to our, our companies and ask them to be more healthy. But if we. Are not healthy as leaders, we're not modeling that behavior. It's hard to get them to track physicians the same way. Nothing like going to an overweight physician who smokes, trying to tell you that you need to lose weight. Right. It just doesn't work that way in terms of how it goes. And let me ask you, maybe, you know, in your consulting, kind of the time that you've been doing it over the last 10 years or so, Do you have a success story where it's really worked that you like to talk about and you can protect the names of the guilty renaissance, however you wanna go, but someone who really has made that transformation made a big impact? Um, yeah. Well, so I've worked with, I've worked with people. With some very unique health conditions. And it's really always very rewarding because I can't like cure diseases, but a lot of times people come to me for one-on-one coaching if they are not really seeing results. Through their medical treatment and they want to find a better way to support their body. And I believe that our bodies are designed to heal if we just get out of their way. So even if someone's suffering with something that I can't just cure with food it's really rewarding to help them figure out the best ways to support their body so their body can do the magical things that it does. And kind of deal with what it's dealing with much better. But one of my favorite like testimonials that I've recently received, and this is just a much smaller scale, this isn't like you know, president of a small country or anything, but I just recently ran a group a group coaching program and one of the, the guys that was in the group, And he hadn't really, he told us, he's like, this stuff really works. And he goes, I haven't even really changed that much. I've just started eating fermented foods and like I have been on Harper medication my entire life and I'm not taking it anymore. Hmm. He's like, I haven't even stopped eating crap. I've just started eating fermented foods and I don't take it anymore. And he's like, I was just feeling really good and I had pizza and it still wrecked me, but it didn't wreck me nearly as much as it used to. But like, I didn't even have to take my medication. And that's just a, a really small example of how powerful it can be. And, and that was only after about two weeks. So all we had done was teach him how to like, make sauerkraut and yogurt and he just started eating those things and being more mindful of what he was eating. He was still eating. Out if he wanted to, but he was just being more mindful of what was in the food that he was eating. Mm-hmm. And he stopped a lifelong medication habit just that quickly. That's pretty cool. And once again, just like the healthcare system, that the medication is not what is there to fix us. It's there to hide the symptom. Certain in terms of what's going on, hide the problem that we are creating. So to have that be done, that is a great story. Absolutely. Being able to come off some medicine that we don't need simply by eating that. And let me, let me kind of finish one more question and then we'll get to the end of the podcast has been a, a lot of fun when you hear of some of these, you know, diets that are out there now, regardless of the name of those. Diets. What are some of the things that, you know, you have a suggestion for individual leaders, very basic things they could do from a diet standpoint that could help'em out from a gut health and brain health standpoint? Um, I'm glad you asked that. That's really like a huge problem for people is just not really knowing what to eat. There's so much conflicting information. And my, well, what I try to teach people in, in my program is just to keep it simple, like get back to the basics. Eat real food. So we start with eating real food and, and then it's the, the next step is just learning how to listen to what your body wants. Because people, they want to do a radical thing because they're action takers and and they, they wanna do a thing and be proactive. And so they do this radical thing, and I'm not against them with these radical diets for specific purposes and for specific periods of time. But what you're doing is you're taking an imbalanced system. And then you're throwing it into shock, which creates results. But then if you stay too long in that other state of imbalance, you're gonna create, you're gonna swing the pendulum too far the other way. So a lot of times when people go on these like vegan diets, they might feel really great for a while because they needed a change. They were eating too much, you know, crap food or meat or whatever. But then over time, many people develop nutritional de deficiencies in a vegan diet because there are just some things from animal foods that you cannot get at a, at a plant food. And some people live their whole lives on vegan diets and they're very mindful about it and feel great. So I don't wanna, you know, don't come from my head, but it's the same with like a keto diet or whatever, like they're very useful. For specific things and for specific periods of time, but the most important thing for you is to listen to your body. So if you're a vegetarian or vegan and you start dreaming about meat, which a lot of them do, hmm, your body's asking you for what it needs. Your body knows what it needs, and it will tell you if you can just get the alarm bells turned off so that you can hear it. And so I would say that's, that's like the most actionable tip I can give is just to like, be mindful of what you're doing and listen to what your body's asking you for. And I don't mean pepperoni pizza or chocolate cake, but there's something specific what your body, your body's voice is a little deeper than, than cravings. That's your brain asking you for things, but your body is underneath that, and that'll keep you from going too far astray if you just listen. To when something isn't feeling good anymore. And if you're not feeling good, change what you're doing. Leslie, thank you. How do people stay in touch with you, learn more about you? So I'm on LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook. And then I also have a website. So my, my website is cultural revivalists.com. That's with an s, plural, cultural revivalists, You can reach out directly on any of those platforms or by email, cultural revivalist gmail.com. Excellent. I'll put links to all those contact information, uh, so that everybody can. Stay in touch with you. I'm sure they may have more questions as well. So I appreciate you sharing your wisdom with the Uncommon Leader Podcast. I know that they're gonna learn a little bit more. I always finish my first time guest with the same final question as well, Leslie, and this is your way to kind of close it out, but I'm gonna give you a billboard. Uh, you can put anything on that billboard. You can put it anywhere you want to as well, that people are gonna see. But what is it that you put on that billboard and why? I think the thing that I would most want to put on that billboard would be that your health is your greatest asset, so don't delegate it. You are the expert when it comes to your body. Nobody else can tell you. You've shared that really throughout the interview as to why it's so important, how we feel. How we are emotionally, how our brain functions, and how quickly we can respond. I love how you shared that and some of the science behind that. I appreciate you sharing with the Uncommon Leader podcast listeners. I wish you the best on all things going forward. Okay, Leslie. Thanks John. It's been a great conversation. I appreciate you having me. Absolutely. Well, that's all for today's episode of The Uncommon Leader Podcast. Thanks for listening in. Please take just a minute to share this podcast without someone you know that you thought of when you heard this episode. One of the most valuable things you can do is to rate the podcast and leave a review. You can do that on Apple Podcast, or you can rate the podcast on Spotify or any other platform You listen. Until next time, go and grow Champions.