Episode 194: Fellowship Is Fun, Discipleship Is Hard: Mastering Intentionality in Life & Work with Chris Grainger

We explore what it takes to lead with courage and clarity when comfort pulls you off course. Chris Granger shares the story behind his new book, the move to a working farm, a serious injury, and the simple, repeatable practices that help men lead well.

• spiritual warfare and the call to fight back
• the gap between fellowship and discipleship
• seven areas of leadership for Christian men
• the Paul and Timothy mentoring model
• simplifying Scripture into action steps
• using the book as a practical toolkit
• trials that build endurance and patience
• integrating faith with career and family
• Bible app plans and the “I’m Just A Guy” series
• a one-sentence leadership mantra on obedience

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Chapters

• 0:00 Opening And Core Scripture
• 0:20 Guest Intro And New Book
• 3:16 Attack, Fear, And Fighting Back
• 5:20 Community Growth And Mentorship
• 8:12 Called From Suburbs To Farm
• 11:04 Discipleship Versus Fellowship
• 14:03 Seven Areas Of Leadership
• 18:16 Paul And Timothy Framework

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:00

The step of obedience is challenging, it's hard, it's difficult at times, but if if you just remember to do whatever he tells you to do, you'll never go wrong. So John 2 5, do whatever he tells you to do.

SPEAKER_00: 0:20

Hey Uncommon Leaders, welcome back. This is the Uncommon Leader Podcast, and I'm your host, John Gallagher. I've got a great opportunity for you today. I'm bringing back a guest from just a couple years ago, Chris Granger. We had a great conversation back then, and I'm looking forward to our conversation today. We're primarily going to talk about his book here as we go through it, Unleashing the Lion Within Us, that he just came out with recently. And there's some great stuff in here. I can't wait to get started there. But he's a dynamic executive. He's working as an engineer as well, uh, an electrical equipment company. Uh, he'll tell us a story, which I just learned this on the on the way in, about uh his movement to a farm as well and some change in his life. But he's ultimately a master of really driving his faith and his belief into his business and into his daily life. And I know he's impacting many men with this group, The Lion Within. Chris, I'm looking forward to this conversation today. Welcome back to the Uncommon Leader Podcast. How are you doing? Hey, John, it's an honor to be back. I'm doing well. Hope you are. Good. I am glad that you're doing well. We may talk about that, some of the things you've been going through. But I tell you, I'm gonna jump right in to your book. A couple things here. And uh when I uh ultimately interview authors, one of the first things I do when I get their books, get a copy of their book, is I look at the introduction and I look at the conclusion or the acknowledgments. Because I think there's always a lot of meat inside of that in terms of how the book came to be. And I tell you, there was a the very first sentence of your introduction kind of floored me in terms of getting this started and ultimately paving the way for this book. And it says, the evil one is doing everything possible to steal, kill, and destroy everything in your life, and it is time to start fighting back. What is it that started the book that way for you in terms of writing this book?

SPEAKER_01: 2:02

John 10 10. I mean, that's it. Steal, kill, and destroy. But uh I've seen myself been under attack for a long time and other guys as well. And he has a way of crippling us and paralyzing us, and I'm done. So I'm done with that, I'm done with the fear. And so I just figured, you know what? If that was good enough for Jesus, why not start that off as the first line of the book and we just go from there?

SPEAKER_00: 2:23

Love that. I mean, that was again just so powerful just to read it, like, wow, what a great way to get it kicked off. And you mentioned that, like, he's been doing a lot, both the evil one's been doing a lot in your life, but I make up and what I read is that God's doing a lot in your life right now. So it's been about two and a half years since we had you on the first time. We were really focused on your organization, your website, and some of the things that you were doing with the men's groups that you're dealing with. How are things going in that space? And also what's changed for you the past couple years? Where are you today? Yeah, I mean, that space is going great.

SPEAKER_01: 2:52

We have our community's growing. We've actually added mastermind groups. I've been blessed with the uh founder of C12, jumped on about a year and a half ago. He mentors me every week for about an hour and a half, and it's just been incredible to get his wisdom to just continue to build the lion. So all the things are going great there. Uh personally, when we were recorded together last, I was in a subdivision, very comfortable life. We had a you know access to a community pool and all that, and then God, having a sense of humor at times, said okay, you're too comfortable now. I want you to go to a farm. So he called us to a farm, and I was like, You gotta be kidding me. So uh, but my wife and I, so we put our house up for sale. I mean, it all this happened within a like a month or two max, and it was crazy. We just he called us, says, put your house up for sale. So we got the house up for sale, a farm popped up. We met our criteria that we could actually think possibly we could could make work. And next thing you know, we're farming, and uh, we have 12 horses, we do horse boarding and riding lessons and all that stuff. So it's just been uh the hardest, most challenging two years of my life. It's also been the most fulfilling as well, of just trying to be obedient with that. And that's even added in some items for the lion where we do, we've had two men's events here now uh for the lion within us. So we're able to bring guys in and just love on them, have a great, you know, we call them men's retreats, shoot a lot of guns, do a lot of fishing, and then you know, talk a lot about grajeezes.

SPEAKER_00: 4:21

So it's uh fun stuff going on, dude. So you I mean you didn't just kind of plant a few rows of corn and a few tomato plants, you bought a farm. Horse boarding.

SPEAKER_01: 4:30

Yeah, it was an old horse farm. And so we went in and all of a sudden I became because I've always been a jack of all trees and an expert of none, you know, right? So it's just so now it's plumbing and electrical and and framing. And so we fixed the farm, the barn back up, and uh we got, like I said, we got 12 horses, three of them are ours, because apparently you have to have horses if you own a horse farm. Somebody I didn't know that. My wife, you know, she brought me in. She tricks me. She's very good looking, she's very tricky. And uh anyway, we had three horses, but she does riding lessons, so it's been a learning curve, but uh you know, we were loving every step of it.

SPEAKER_00: 5:02

Dude, that is so cool. That is so cool. I'm glad things are going away. And again, maybe you've had a couple other things going on. We'll talk about uh that as we go through the show as we get into conversation. But I'm happy those things are there for you. And yeah, I mean, you said it, God does have a sense of humor in terms of how he puts things in front of us that you know we may think we have a plan, but ultimately uh he's the one that writes the story. So that's biblical as well in Proverbs. You know, we'll do whatever we think we can, but he's the one that's gonna steer us where we need to be. Yes, sir. So all right, back to introduction in your book because I love this. We're gonna get to the framework, we're gonna get to who you wrote it for and things like that. But another statement, page two of the introduction. Fellowship is fun, but discipleship is hard. 100%. Tell me what's going on there, too. There's something challenging inside of that sentence right there.

SPEAKER_01: 5:48

Yeah, the the problem is, you know, and I'm not a church, I don't bash churches. I mean, I'm probably I think I'm going, I'm preaching this Sunday at a church. I got asked to go preach. So I'm pro-church. Church misses discipleship. They're very good at fellowship. And sometimes church calls discipleship fellowship and they're wrong. Because I mean, at the end of the day, discipleship takes a lot of uh friction. It takes some you're not surrounding yourself with yes men. And that's a fundamental difference that was missing in my life, and I wasn't getting it from my church. So therefore, I had to build it, and I built it with the lion within us. And I find many guys, they're just they go, they sit down, they sing songs that make it sound almost sounds like Jesus is their boyfriend. They hear a sermon that smells more like a TED talk, and then they go home. And it's just like, no, bro, there's so much more to the abundant life. And so we're working in those areas, and I think that's what it's just resonating with guys because discipleship is hard work. It really is. I mean, picking up your cross and following Christ every day is not for the faint of heart, but when you do it and you lean into it, it can be very fulfilling.

SPEAKER_00: 6:47

No, I hear that, and I appreciate it so much. And I love how, you know, again, even inside of your book and the way you talk about inside your website, is that you you blur the lines between you know the workplace and our ministry really well. I mean, you overlap those things, and I can tell that's a big part of who you are. Inside of the book, you really talk about reflections on leadership for Christian men. So it's really telling a story about leadership, not just in the church, but in the home and in our workplace as well, in our communities, you know, wherever it is we're called to stand up and lead. Your book's broken out into seven sections. You know, on your website, you call those the seven areas of leadership. I'll just read them real fast: how to protect the mind, how to embrace stewardship, how to cultivate marriage, how to tune our bodies, how to pursue our careers, how to raise godly children, and how to embrace spiritual leadership. I love this. I told you the story before we hit the record button on the podcast, is that I've just started doing some journaling myself and I've been laboring over what are the areas that I want to pray about. And you just outlined those so well in terms of those seven areas. And I appreciate what you have to say there, but kind of the last couple of things in the intro is that you say within those spaces, we've got to find our Paul and we've got to find our Timothy. Now, those who are familiar with the Bible will understand who Paul and Timothy were, but bring that, put that on the lower shelf for me in terms of who that Paul is and who that Timothy is as we go through this journey as Christian business leaders.

SPEAKER_01: 8:10

Yeah, that's just where I think we miss it, right? So the Paul would be your mentor, the one who's further along, the one who's done been there, done that, had the battle scars. Not that you think they've done it, you've seen them do it, right? And for me, again, I have several mentors that are just pouring into my life on a weekly basis, you know, and having those relationships where you can be as real and authentic and raw with them as possible. So you're not bringing some brushed up, you know, highly touched-up version of how things are and highly polished. No, I just bring, okay, here's where I'm at, here are the gaps, and what do you think about that? And I mean, and having that type of mentor is so important. The Timothy is the one that's behind you. You know, who's two or three steps behind us that we need to be pulling along the way? You know, I've heard it said, you know, you judge a leader by you know two levels below them. You know, what does that level of leadership look like? But we're just too busy these days often. We miss the opportunities to pull somebody up, and we definitely miss the opportunities to ask for others for guidance. And I just think that's just a blind spot for leadership. And if we're intentional about that, of building it, God's gonna bring those right people in into our lives.

SPEAKER_00: 9:13

Dude, I mean, and I could talk about the last two weeks and conversations I've had with leaders in both of those cases. Why is it as leaders we have so much trouble asking for help in areas that we may not be that strong? I mean, we're naive enough or uh dumb enough to believe that other people don't know it and we just hide it. But the fact is they already know. And so why wouldn't we be reaching out for someone who is more knowledgeable than us in any space that we're trying to work? In any of these seven areas of your leadership are areas where we can have a Paul in our life, a mentor in our life to help us in that space. And then secondly, you know, the again, other conversations is I don't really have time to develop other people. And yet we were called to make disciples. Okay, we weren't called to uh think about it, we were called to make disciples very intentional with regards to that action. And as I think about what you say there, if we're not developing that next generation of leaders, then who is? If somebody is influencing them. That's right. And if it's not you, then who is it? As you talk about raising godly children and things like that. You know, we better be active in that space. We cannot abdicate our responsibility when it comes to leadership, especially uh in the world of our faith in terms of what that means. And I think the last you know sentence I highlighted in your introduction leads into the framework of your book to help other leaders. Intentionality, when joined with sincerity, has a way of changing the trajectory of a man's walk. I love that sentence. The word trajectory is so cool. I mean, we can see folks that are kind of you know on a growth journey, but if we're intentional enough, we can change that and make it rise pretty quickly. Are those the ones that are dropping in their trajectory? Right. We can help to level that out and certainly get them moving in the right direction. Are you tired of being tired? I know I was. That's when I was glad to find own it coaching. Now my resting heart rate's down 20%, sleep quality up 300%. You know, I just ran my first Spartan rage at age 56. I feel better than I ever have. So if you're ready to stop settling and start owning your own health, go to coachjohngallagher.com forward slash own it and set up a free call with the own it coaching team. That's coachjohngallagher.com forward slash ownit. Now, let's get back to the episode. So, you know, what are you doing intentionally in both of those spaces right now, Paul and Timothy? You mentioned uh the gentleman, uh the founder of C12, who may be your mentor now. Who are you mentoring uh in the space? Who's your Timothy?

SPEAKER_01: 11:40

I have several. You know, one is a 16-year-old who's trying to figure out life, right? He's just trying to get through high school without getting, you know, just trying to get him through high school right now. That's the thing. And then I have several other just younger men. Usually these guys are quite a few of them are in the lion, but they're younger typically, uh, and they're just you know working through having kids, trying to figure out what the next steps are for their career. And I'm just super intentional about the big thing about having the conversation on a regular basis. So we meet pretty regularly. We have some things set up, you know, like for my mentor, it's a standing weekly, you know, type of meeting where we have that. For the Timothy's, it's a little more dynamic because everybody's schedules is a little bit different. But the thing is, I gotta have I know how important both of those relationships are, those types are, and just got to keep building more of them.

SPEAKER_00: 12:27

Yeah, I often talk about that in a Timothy space for leaders, whether they're building relationships in their marketplace or building relationships in their workplace, a very simple framework, three, two, one, three coffees, two lunches, and a dinner, you know, per week or per month, whatever that means, uh being very intentional with the conversation and what that's really going to be. It feels uh or sounds simpler than it is. And I know you talk about that as well, because that intentionality, when we have good intentions, that's okay. But when we have to have intentionality, actually carry that out and act on it, it becomes a different story. So I appreciate what you have to say there. Now, your book, I love the framework because it's very intentional as to how you are developing people in that space. It's the engineer in me. I went through and counted the number of topics that you had, the 42 topics over the seven areas of leadership that you talked about. And you outline each topic or each chapter, if you will, with a verse starting out, a biblical verse starting out, and then a story, an example, or uh some history of what goes on there. And then you have this uh term simplify and apply. We'll come back to that a little bit as well. Finish up with scriptures for meditation and uh ultimately the reflection questions that are there that folks can use. Tell me about that intentionality. How did you develop that framework and ultimately turn it into the book?

SPEAKER_01: 13:39

Yeah, well, the big thing was the first part was you know, the framework overall for the book. God gave me that when I started lying four years ago. So that was a Bible study that we put together, and guys just got a lot of value out of it. So the framework was there. And then I've read so many books. As a podcaster, you know, you get so many books pitched to you and sent your way, and so many are written from command style, and that's fine. That's a style that works for many. For me, I learn a lot more when it's reflective. Like show me how it's you know it's directly impacted you. So that was my challenge of okay, I'm gonna write this from a reflective standpoint. So each section has a little reflection, two or three pages, but that's gives an insight to basically how I applied it to my life, and then the simplify and apply that's been a theme, a core theme of the lion of okay, the whole goal for the lion within us is to take God's word, simplify it and apply it so we can understand how we can take the scripture we're reading today or we're focusing on, and how can we actually execute that from a leadership standpoint, right? So that it's just it all started just flowing together. We want to keep God's word at the center of everything that we do. So the scripture for meditation just seemed to make sense. The reflection questions are for guys that want to do it together as a group, you know, just gives them that those launching points for conversations there. So once we had the framework in place, it was just a matter of just rolling through and just uh you know, rinsing and repeating on the different topics and trying to give guys something of it that's gonna be encouraging.

SPEAKER_00: 15:04

Yeah, and I love how you can consume it as well. You and you say this up front, don't just sit down and read the whole book. No, like be very intentional as to where you're having a challenge with a topic and go find it. Much like we could do with a study Bible as well. You're putting it on the lower shelf form here and saying, I've already collected the scripture that is associated with this topic. All you have to do is go find the topic in the book, so to speak, and have it be there. So it's not one of those books that frankly should sit on top of a shelf like all those ones behind me necessarily. What I make up is your book test is you know how many pages are sticky noted and marked and and gone back to on a regular basis, much like a devotional might be really good that you go through it over and over again. Right. So, you know, who is it? People you're writing for, you mentioned Christian men on the front. You're also writing it for groups, as you talked about with your app, and we'll come to that too. But you know, when they finish reading it, what do you want them to feel? What do you want them to do?

SPEAKER_01: 16:02

I want them to feel encouraged for one, that they're not alone. It says I'm very transparent in my writing. So at least they won't know they're the only one that's struggling with whatever that area is. But also I want to leave them with just a couple of ideas of implementation, you know, very simple stuff. But what can I take away? What can I start doing today that's gonna make an impact in my marriage? That's gonna make an impact into my kids' relationships, that's gonna make an impact in my bank account because of some things that I want to try to turn around. So if we can put that there in such a way that this guy says, All right, for this month, I'm just gonna focus on the marriage section. And if at the end of the month he's just a little bit closer to his wife and their relationship and they're pursuing Christ together a little bit better, then we've done our job.

SPEAKER_00: 16:45

Love that. I I just love the intentionality behind that. Again, it's one that you can kind of turn to and pick that. You put the references of all the scriptures at the end of the book as well. And I'm gonna go all the way to page 340, which is 340 pages of this wisdom, folks, inside of this book, which is really cool in terms of understanding. And you don't have to read all 340 pages in one drink. That's not what it's all about. Um, but it is being very specific with the topics. And this is gonna lead me into allowing you to talk about your arm here in a second, too, because in the very end of the book, you say, looking back, I see how those trials strengthened me for what God was preparing next. Perhaps that's why my life verse is James 1, verses 2 and 3. Consider it all joy, my brothers and sisters, when you encounter various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance. Now, I'm pretty sure you probably had that as your life verse before you had what you're going through right now, personally. Talk to me. Tell me about the verse and about what you're going through.

SPEAKER_01: 17:41

Yeah, and by the way, for those listening that don't have a life verse, I would not recommend this one. Okay. Find something better, you know, bro. There's so many better life verses. But it's just been, I've gone through so many things from you know, a failed marriage to losing a daughter. And then the most recent thing that you and I were talking about before is July 26th of this year. I had a pretty massive injury here on my farm, cutting trees where a limb broke loose and actually basically knocked my right ankle off my foot. I mean, it was just dangling in my boot. So uh funny part was though, if there is a funny part, uh the week before my daughters wanted to have a pedicure night. So, and they thought it would be a great idea to give daddy pink toenails. So, yeah, I'm in the hospital with uh bib overalls on and a cowboy hat and pink toenails, with explaining that to about 50 doctors and nurses throughout the weekend. So, man, we had a lot of fun with that. Uh, had a surgery, put in a bunch of hardware, uh multiple plates, about 20 screws, and come to find out two weeks ago that I had a staph infection from that surgery. So I had to go back, all the hardware is out now. Actually, after this podcast, I'm going back to the surgeon this afternoon to hopefully get the release to start work the walking on it. And but through like this whole process, these several months, it's just taught me a lot about patience slowing down, his grace. I've seen my wife and my kids step up to run the farm when I'm not here and when I physically can't do the things that I that God's called me to do. And they've just keep stepping up and amazing me. And and I had to go through the a trial like that, unfortunately, to recognize that because I'm pretty hard-headed. I think I had to go, that's why I had to go through it twice because I've apparently the first surgery didn't slow me down enough. So guys, like, all right, I'm gonna put you in the hospital for a week and make you slow down. So that's just been a crazy season. But I I tell you, it, John, there's I've learned so much through it. And considering enjoy when you break your ankle, that makes no sense whatsoever. But I can honestly say that it has been a joy film time in my life, and not because of the ankle, because that that's just not been fun at all, but because of what he's shown me through this time.

SPEAKER_00: 19:46

I so appreciate that. I mean, we're talking about four months ago. And again, I certainly wasn't laughing about the accident. Oh, no, it's not a good thing. But even before I knew that, and to read your verse, and you said in the book, like, don't you don't advise that folks choose this verse as your life verse. It's like you just kind of know and just prepare yourself. And that's right. As you said at the start, God has a sense of humor in terms of going through that. Chris, I enjoy this conversation. I think folks find tremendous value in the book. Uh no doubt it's targeted for those Christian men, those Christian business leaders ultimately uh who need to hear this, that the spiritual warfare that is going on in our homes and our communities and churches, uh, certainly in our world as well, right now, requires us to stand firm and to take a stand in the space that we're in and to learn from him. So I know that your book's on Amazon and folks could go there. Where else do you want folks to go to connect with you, Chris, so they can learn more about you and about what you're doing with the Lion Within?

SPEAKER_01: 20:43

Yeah, the main area is just the LionWithin.us. That's with the the on the front of it. So that we have all our stuff there, as well as the I would mention the Bible app. So for those out there that use the Bible app on a daily basis, I'm an author on that. And we have about 50 plans out there on the Bible app. And the most interesting thing recently, I started a series in 2024 called I'm Just a Guy. And the I'm Just a Guy itself just took off tens and tens of thousands of downloads on the Bible app pretty much over a short period of time. So now I've just theme off of that. So I write about I'm a guy with a marriage, I'm just a guy fighting depression or anxiety or you know, who can't stop watching pornography. So I have all these topical ones around the I'm just a guy theme. So encourage you to check us out on the Bible app. Just search for the line within us there and follow our page. And every time we release one, you'll get an update on it.

SPEAKER_00: 21:33

Chris, so cool. That makes sense now with the LinkedIn profile and the little statement underneath your name on the LinkedIn profile. I'm just a guy. I love that. I will check that out on the app and learn more about that. Absolutely. Chris, I'm gonna give you the last word before I kind of say goodbye to the listeners that are listening in. If you've gotten this far, I really appreciate you listening all the way through. But if you had to kind of distill your philosophy ultimately, you know, over these years and the different things that you've been through with your life verse down into one sentence, a mantra of sorts uh for folks who want to be uncommon leaders in that space, who've been called to be something more than just an average leader, you know, what would that mantra be or that sentence be that you would put together for folks?

SPEAKER_01: 22:12

John 2 5, do whatever he tells you to do. And I mean, I I truly mean that. Be obedient to the Holy Spirit. If we're obedient to the Holy Spirit and our business and our leadership roles, whether at work, at home, and anywhere in between, he's not gonna guide us down the wrong path. Taking that step of obedience is challenging, it's hard, it's difficult at times. But if you just remember to do whatever he tells you to do, you'll never go wrong.

SPEAKER_00: 22:36

So good. Chris, thank you so much for coming back on to the Uncommon Leader Podcast, sharing what you've got going on. I wish you the best, including the healing uh in your ankle, and that despite your choice of life first, that you'd go through a period here that of uh bearing fruit that uh is really good for you, your family, and and those you come in contact with. Amen. Thank you, John. Absolutely. Hey folks, I know if you got this far, you know someone who needs to hear this message as well. I encourage you to hit that share button, whether it's uh listening to it on audio or you've seen it on video on YouTube, push this over to someone else you know needs to hear that message. That's how we get this message out for Uncomma Leaders to hear more and more about that. Certainly I would encourage you if you liked it to leave a five-star review and a comment on there that helps us get it into the hands of more and more leaders, just like you who are listening in. Thank you again for listening into the Uncommon Leader podcast. Until next time, go and grow champions.